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Speakers at NYU distort Israeli-Palestinian conflict

The “Against Israeli Apartheid!” event on March 10 was supposed to be no laughing matter. Yet the hundred or so audience members at the panel hosted by NYU’s Students for Justice in Palestine chapter chuckled as Ali Abunimah and Max Blumenthal, two outrageous detractors of Israel, spoke. Abunimah and Blumenthal are dangerous. They are well-educated — Abunimah has degrees from Princeton University and the University of Chicago while Blumenthal has a degree from the University of Pennsylvania. They are fantastic orators and they are overflowing with charisma. These characteristics endow them with an aura of credibility. As a result, people are blind to their deceptions, distortions and slander.

Blumenthal began the night with the discriminatory precondition that anyone who felt uncomfortable with the facts that he and Abunimah were about to vocalize could feel free to “click their heels together five times” in order to be “instantly transported to a Hillel house on campus, with 24-hour G4S security.” What had been labeled as an anti-Israel panel had swiftly become explicitly anti-Semitic.

Both Abunimah and Blumenthal said that Israel oppresses the minority citizens of the country. How could this be when Arab-Israelis living in Israel have the same rights as Jewish-Israelis? In fact, there are 12 elected Arab members in the Israeli Parliament. Meanwhile, Palestinians elected many members of Hamas, an internationally recognized terrorist organization whose charter calls to destroy Israel, to the Palestinian Legislative Council in 2006. A year later, in 2007, Hamas executed a military coup in Gaza. In Judea and Samaria — the West Bank — the Palestinian Authority has control of the predominantly Palestinian areas, as delineated in the Oslo Accords.

The double standard for the panel was clear. Abunimah scoffed at the claim that Palestinian rock throwing could hurt anyone. Then, he painted a harrowing picture of a Palestinian family whose life was forever destroyed when an Israeli Molotov cocktail hit its car. To be clear, the plight of this Palestinian family is heartbreaking. However, rock throwing by Palestinians has certainly destroyed many Israeli lives. The examples — from Adele Biton to Yosef Ishran and Koby Mandell — are numerous. Those who are truly interested in human rights do not differentiate between the nationalities of the perpetrators, nor the victims, of violence.

NYU students should not tolerate one-sided defamation on campus. There must be freedom of speech, but students should reject hate and intentional deception. If Abunimah and Blumenthal were truly interested in a better future for Palestinians, they would have recognized that the complexity of the situation can only be solved through honest, multifaceted dialogue. Once this notion reaches the forefront of the speakers’ minds, we can have a genuine panel on peace.

A version of this article appeared in the Wednesday, March 25 print edition. Avital Kaplan and Josh Lavine are contributing columnists. Email them at [email protected]

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78 Responses to “Speakers at NYU distort Israeli-Palestinian conflict”

  1. ShalomFreedman on March 26th, 2014 4:04 am

    The late Senator Patrick Daniel Moynihan once said ‘people are entitled to their own opinions but not their own facts’.
    The systematic and hate- filled detractors of Israel are blind to the basic facts on the ground.
    They do not see how democratic Israel has in its humane relation to its own minorities shown itself to be the single decent country in the Middle East. They cannot explain why Israel’s Arab citizens are so outraged when the suggestion is made to them that some of their cities and villages become part of a Palestinian Arab state. They ignore the workings of the Israeli legal and medical systems in promoting the well- being of all citizens of Israel.
    What makes them so painfully hypocritical is too their criticizing Israel as Arabs slaughter Arabs, as Muslims slaughter Muslims throughout the Middle East.

  2. George Georgiadis on March 26th, 2014 6:16 pm

    What nonsense. Do you not see the institutionalized violence of the IDF? You are blinded by your ideology.

  3. oneof5 on March 26th, 2014 6:23 pm


    The Zio-bots are always blinded by their ideology …

    Comes from too much consumption of The New Improved Industrial Strength Ziocaine … guaranteed to deliver self-righteously justified ethno-supremacy … or your money back !

  4. Phil Perspective on March 26th, 2014 2:59 pm

    Did either of you two read Max’s book? Doesn’t sound like it. Also, too, your sources aren’t unbiased. Sorry to have to break it to you. Have you ever visited any Palestinians where they work and live? You know, walk a mile in someone else’s shoes, or as close as you can to that?

  5. JarekAF on March 26th, 2014 3:09 pm

    A year later, in 2007, Hamas executed a military coup in Gaza.

    Uh, no. HAMAS was duly elected. Israel, the US and the PA supported a failed PA coup in Gaza.

    And oh yah, great treatment of minorities: http://www.latimes.com/world/la-fg-c1-israel-immigrant-leader-20140326-dto,0,4714067.htmlstory#axzz2x5ziH6mz

  6. ThisIsPalestine on March 26th, 2014 3:36 pm

    Ah, of course. Hamas was duly elected. So tell us: when is the NEXT election in Gaza?

  7. oneof5 on March 26th, 2014 6:26 pm


    Sure be happy to … you just tell me when Israel will stop their criminal violation of, and start complying with, International Law first …

    Howzbout it … deal ?

  8. myackie on March 31st, 2014 12:07 pm

    When you learn international law…

  9. Barry Gold on March 26th, 2014 3:09 pm

    I love how if anyone in anyway sides with palestine people scream anti-semitism god forbid some offers a view point different than your own. Both sides are guilty of numerous human rights violations, but pro-Israel people don’t like to hear it. It’s up to Israelis, and Jewish people (me being one of them) to drop their preconceived notions of the “enemy.” These people have as much a right to land as you do. The blood stops with the people in power, the Israelis. Let the scales fall from your eyes they’re just like you, they just use a different book.

  10. Barbara No Last Name on March 26th, 2014 4:19 pm

    Let the scales fall from YOUR eyes. Once someone starts making reference to “Hillel House” on campus, he’s arguing not against Israeli policies, but against Jews. But here’s an idea. Let’s get some of those fine Palestinian folks to throw stones at you and your loved ones — brothers, sisters, children. And while we’re at it, lob some rockets in the direction of your home. Then you can tell me how innocent that is — nothing to be bothered about. Better yet, why not move into their territory. Oh, that’s right. You can’t. You’re a Jew. When Gush Katif was turned over, they demanded that it be free of Jews. 20% of Israeli citizens, on the other hand, are Arab. I’m not denying that there are human rights abuses by Israel, and I’m not a supporter of many Israeli policies, but anyone who can dismiss Palestinian attacks on innocent Israelis, by rockets, by rocks, by terrorist attacks, as meaningless is beneath contempt.

  11. George Georgiadis on March 26th, 2014 6:07 pm

    Do me a favor…compare rocks with an M1 Abrams? go.

  12. Barbara No Last Name on March 26th, 2014 7:42 pm

    No need to compare. As the article states, “Abunimah scoffed at the claim that Palestinian rock throwing could hurt anyone.” That is patently ridiculous, and is excusing Palestinian aggression.

  13. George Georgiadis on March 26th, 2014 9:30 pm

    why do you excuse Israeli aggression? well..clearly because you view it as them protecting their “homeland” right? well how about defending your home from illegal invading settlers? You are blind to YOUR double standard.

  14. myackie on March 31st, 2014 12:42 pm

    Sure and your house is mine…arabs have 21 states,go and tell them their land belongs to Israel. Cowards would say any absurdit(y and when they are threatened to be killed,all they can do is…cry!

  15. George Georgiadis on March 26th, 2014 6:06 pm

    What a misguided article. How does a thrown rock compare to a militarized nation funded by the united states? What about the existence of an explicit religious government, shouldn’t we question that? How about the illegal…INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED AS ILLEGAL colonial expansion into Palestinian territory? Also your charge of anti-semitism is in fact…rife with anti-semitism. Do you not see that the biggest supporters of Israel in this country are in fact anti-semitic bigots? Stop conflating anti zionism with anti-semites. If you bothered to actually listen to what these speakers would saying you would hear the incredible subtlety of their analysis of the situation. I have not even mentioned the treatment of africans and immigrants in Israel. I have no interest in supporting an apartheid colonial state.

  16. shanni suissa on March 26th, 2014 9:18 pm

    are you aware every other country in the middle east is an explicitly religious state? with far more radical religious laws than israel by a mile

  17. George Georgiadis on March 26th, 2014 9:26 pm

    Do I support any other religious state in my statement? no. I am pointing out the fact that Israel is in fact an explicitly religious state…something that should never be supported.

  18. robert Davis on March 31st, 2014 11:03 am

    A great french philosopher said the 21st century will be religious or it will vanish. Of course if YOU do not like it…it should not be supported…

  19. George Georgiadis on March 31st, 2014 11:18 am

    I’d like a citation

  20. myackie on March 31st, 2014 12:05 pm

    YOU are in need of learning History. Just open a History book or simply check with Google! What is it you want exactly? my assertion on San Remo and Sevres? everybody knows that surely google will tell you a lot about it : Sykes-Picot treaties,borders etc. I cannot work on a long explanation it takes too much time. I am sure you will be interested and if you are sincere you will be convinced. If you prefer wishful thinking then keep proferring absurdities. Propaganda is the art of telling LIES and repeating them ad nauseam until people believe them!Is this what you care for?

  21. George Georgiadis on March 31st, 2014 12:30 pm

    There is a technique used by those in power to coerce others into seeming untenable positions, it is called equivalence. It makes dissimilar things comparable by reducing the to abstract quantities. For you, all those who are not supporters of Israel are simply leveled as anti-semite liers. This reeks of authoritarian ideology, so much so, a very similar technique was used in the Second World War, to reduce opposition to the Nazis to opposition to Germans. So any opposition to the State of Israel, is opposition to the jewish people…which is false. So, your must be a bit more subtle in your Fascists analysis of the situation Those historical “references” are laughable, and typical of the imperial attitude the west has had towards Arabs. You also grossly mischaracterized what occurred in those treaties…but clearly neither of us thinks the other has any historical grounding. So now let me go at it–Have you heard of the Fourth Geneva Convention? How about the tendency for right wing nationalists to make up claims about their historical past and invent their own national peoples? I mean you know..for example how Jerusalem was actually not founded by Jews or the simply absurd use of the Bible as a precedent for military occupation? Your anger betrays your weak position. Psuedo-moral outrage has no weight when there is clear violence being done upon the Palestinian people. I say, you should not be afraid to break out of your indoctrinated mind state, see the real human rights violations that are occurring right now before our very eyes, then perhaps the veil will fall from your eyes and a bit of human compassion will be able to sneak into your fascist veins.

  22. myackie on March 31st, 2014 12:54 pm

    Fourth Geneva Convention is not a treaty bvetween nations! As to the foundation of…Jerusalem not being founded by Jews,must be because KING DAVID (heard of him???) was a…”palestinian” king!!! You are dreaming this is not even wishful thinking or bad faith it is schysophrenia,you need be treated by a PSYCHATRIST! after all you are a greek the inventors of MYTHOLOGY!!!

  23. George Georgiadis on March 31st, 2014 1:15 pm

    I am Greek and Jew, get your personal attacks right…so perhaps I am the master of mythologizing. Before you try to categorize and attack my person, perhaps a bit less name calling and a few more facts would help out eh? King David ruled around the 9th century BCE, Jerusalem has been continually occupied by a variety of peoples a full millennia before, as documented by many Egyptian chroniclers. But that is besides that point, I am trying to show you how historical claims are generally slippery slopes particularly when the book you are basing your claims off was a piece of propaganda written a millennia and a half after the foundation of the city. My friend…you wouldn’t understand Bad Faith if the truth hit you squarely in the head. Us Jews are a people for generations that were persecuted and nearly wiped out in the Holocaust in Europe during WWII. Of all people, how can the state of Israel be so cruel and callous since independence? This epitomizes the self deception in your heart.

  24. myackie on March 31st, 2014 2:21 pm

    Regarding jebusites etc. you would up to troglodytes wont you to show jews have no rights! so that arabs from neighbouring countries have more rights than jews to Palestine? with this kind of squabbling you should not be surprised to keep being persecuted!!! Israel is definetely NOT cruel it MUST defend its people from persecution that is all. All jews are not masochists like you and would prefer Israel not be wiped out because WE WOULD BE NEXT! Is this so difficult to understand? There is no self deception in my heart” you are not talking to my girl friend and I am not gay! I think you perhaps are by the way you say these things.”Epitomizes self deception”!!!only a gay would say such a thing! It is time for you girls to stand up and defend your lives instead of “epitomyzing”, squabbling,crying and licking arabs’ feet! In fact Israel is far too good with arabs otherwise they would not keep squatting Israel’s land. Can you understand this girlie? or should I say Ms Epitomizing?

  25. George Georgiadis on March 31st, 2014 2:37 pm

    guys look!! I broke the zionist!!

  26. myackie on March 31st, 2014 12:55 pm

    This was Robert Davis not Myackie who must have got fed up with you…he is more clever than me!

  27. Miral on March 26th, 2014 11:29 pm

    What? Lebanon has eighteen official religions. Syria is Ba’athist and has no official religion. Conversely, many European countries have official state religious; this does not make them a theocracy. I am by no means praising any of these governments or regimes, but this is a null argument. Also: Israel’s Jewish personal status courts prohibit me–a Reform Jew–from ever having my marriage legally recognized unless I convert under halakhic law, to say nothing about the possibility of marrying my Palestinian Christian partner. Even if I were to go to Cyprus, my potential children could face issues should THEY ever wish to marry in Israel because state and religious marriage are not one in the same. Are you sure you want to play that “religious freedom” card, Shanni?

  28. robert Davis on March 28th, 2014 10:28 am

    Antisemitism and anzyonism are simply TERITORIAL CONFLICTS notreligious. Religion is only a pretence.

  29. Fanon II on March 27th, 2014 4:55 pm

    Shanni, do you believe the in the separation of church and state?

  30. shanni suissa on March 26th, 2014 9:20 pm

    not to mention the fact that israel is the only country that allowed immigrants to come seek refuge after being denied entry to every other middle eastern country

  31. George Georgiadis on March 26th, 2014 9:28 pm

    Here, why don’t you educate yourself about the “tolerance” and “openness” of Israel. When Israeli government ministers incite angry mobs, calling Africans “cancer,” they are simply expressing another face of the racism that Palestinians have always experienced. You are an apologist for bigotry.


  32. shanni suissa on March 26th, 2014 9:42 pm

    considering I live here I am well aware of what is going on, however the situation is not as black and white as everyone is making it out to seem. israel has been accepting of so many different groups of immigrants (it is literally a melting pot of so many cultures, languages, races, and religions) however over the years israel has seen a huge increase in crime rates particularly in the african communities (not a racial matter simply statistics). just like americans living in the south west who worry about jobs being taken or crime rates rising from the mexican or other latin american immigrants illegally entering through the boarders israel is also needing to consider similar risks. differentiating between criminal immigrants and those who are here to study or work or create a better life is very difficult when they are coming in the thousands to seek refuge from their war torn countries. i am hoping a better solution than arresting these immigrants will be implemented soon but dont be so rash to assume this is some horrible dead on israels part. unless you have taken the time to visit and see what it is truly like, it is hard to understand the hypocrisy of so many of these allegations. where i live on the beach muslims are constantly here walking freely and enjoying the israel sun women men children and all (and with pleasure they should be able to) however I am not even allowed into most middle eastern countries or palestinian territories simply because my american passport has a stamp saying i have visited israel. This country has a serious lack of pr dont be too fooled by everything you read or watch (in clearly propaganda style viral videos), come experience it for yourself.

  33. George Georgiadis on March 26th, 2014 9:54 pm

    Look, so you know, my mother was a jewish immigrant from the Soviet Union to Israel, so this is not simply coming from some American who has no context. But i digress…you make the common rhetorical diversion move to compare Israel to other Muslim nations…a false parallel. No where once more…am I comparing the two..I am equally opposed to religious states around the world. Now to what you said about immigrants…you have essentially repeated the argument that bigots have been using for a century in this country: “over the years israel has seen a huge increase in crime rates particularly in the african communities (not a racial matter simply statistics)..just like americans living in the south west who worry about jobs being taken or crime rates rising from the mexican or other latin american immigrants illegally entering through the boarders israel is also needing to consider similar risks” yes…thats called racism Shanni. You are creating a reflexive distance between yourself and the racism, that in itself is an acknowledgment of the institutional racism of Israel! Also…if your claim of lack of PR is true…then answer me why the United States government so vehemently supports Israel? Why do so many americans support Israel? No…your propaganda is fantastically effective. Also….please…tell me how internationally judged as illegal settlements are simply “propaganda” ?

  34. shanni suissa on March 26th, 2014 10:10 pm

    The american government supports israel sure but I would definitely not go as far as to say so many americans support israel, the entire bds movement is proof of that alone not to mention the incredible hate for israel I have experienced everywhere else around the world. America is the most supportive by a mile and that should say something. I think you are confusing my words for some extreme racism… Being from california as well I found myself in a similar discussion regarding the mexican immigrants. Stating that since a group of immigrants has moved to a country, the area has seen an increase in crime is not racist it is an observation supported by crime rates and the timing of when immigration was noted, not some wild guess. There can be so many factors as to why crime rates go up that doesnt just have to do directly with them, like overpopulation in general. When you squeeze so many people into little old israel that can easily be a factor, or language barriers between so many different people, or a huge gap in culture differences. Whatever the factors, the rates have risen as have the rates of immigration. they have been flooding israel for refuge (I would too if I was born in some of those countries – the stories and horrors I’ve heard are insane) and now after so long of welcoming them into our country israel is seeing normal problems most countries find with immigration of any kind (hence the whole visas concept used by almost every country…). But this isnt just a simple issue like everyone seems to make it out to be. Israel does not make these decisions lightly!

  35. shanni suissa on March 26th, 2014 10:13 pm

    compare news coverage of israel in america and europe see what you find

  36. George Georgiadis on March 26th, 2014 10:17 pm

    I spent a large part of my life in Greece and I can tell you, that like most old, white rich people in government around the world, the bureaucrats there too are great supporters of Israel.

  37. shanni suissa on March 26th, 2014 10:19 pm

    glad to hear, my experiences have been very different especially in france and the uk.

  38. George Georgiadis on March 26th, 2014 10:20 pm

    Both countries explicitly support Israel.

  39. shanni suissa on March 26th, 2014 10:29 pm

    you clearly have no seen the coverage of israel in both countries…

  40. robert Davis on March 31st, 2014 10:53 am

    In france there is an exposition gloryfying “palestinian” terrorists,arabs killing jews and a government which almost supports them reason why more and more jews leave france!
    What more do you want,pogroms?

  41. robert Davis on March 28th, 2014 10:41 am

    Sorry to take the liberty to join : what you call “internartionnally judged as illegal” is …judged by lefters,lefters not international. Why is the left against Israel? 1. low level people influenced by a huge antizyonist propaganda 2. Class war : they are bent only on rich against poor 3. Communism follow up 4 opportunists who think they can make money, fame,politics etc by siding with moslems even stupid governments like hollande from france who thinks katar will save him…Most americans are too clever to think they want to depend on…katar! They prefer to depend on their sense of Justice.

  42. George Georgiadis on March 28th, 2014 10:52 am

    this is gibberish.

  43. robert Davis on March 28th, 2014 11:02 am

    On the contrary : IT EXPLAINS EVERYTHING. Today’s left(and arabs) have the same ideas and philosophy as hitler’s far right(and socialism) and this is why it is impossible to speak to them. Had anyone been able to talk to hitler? you may not understand this today but some day you probaly will.

  44. Fanon II on March 30th, 2014 9:09 pm

    You honestly must hammered to even propose that “Today’s left(and arabs) have the same ideas and philosophy as hitler’s far right(and socialism)” This shows such an ignorance of the complexities first of “Arab politics” where their where various strains of the Left Arabs whom sided against the Axis, just as much as their where Arabs that colluded with German imperialism to push the British out of their area from their colonial expansion.

    The fact that now that you would even propose that today’s left even shares an ounce of hitlers’ ideology shows that you are both historically illiterate and have no grasp of politics. Hitler made his way throughout the social democrats in Germany on the premise of eradicating the communist problem and colluding with businesses. And while I’m writing this and Rosa Luxembourg is rolling in her grave to your absence of common sense with understanding what fascism even is (And I recommend you looking up the Nazi’s attitude towards communist and socialists as they where the first to go with gypsies and homosexuals during the purges that would later become the holocaust). You may understand how to read history but I’ll doubt it.

    Regardless if you wanna find out who actually was able to function in Nazi Germany and even sent memo’s to Nazi’s where Zionist organizers on the premise of having an imperialist backing with their planned expansion and colonization of Palestine. This intertwined with the Nazi’s viewing Zionism as a political ideology congruent with theirs creating a pure state of Aryans in one area of the globe, where they will figure out a solution to the “Jewish” issue by sending them to a “nationally pure Jewish state”. This is usually referred to in Lenni Brenner’s Zionism in the Age of Dictators where their was plenty of correspondence with Zionists and Nazi’s on usually sickeningly good terms.

  45. robert Davis on March 31st, 2014 6:25 am

    Do you really think I ignore this History??? I did not say present left shares hitler’s views just his imperialism since they want to spread communism as hitler wanted to spread nazism. You know History but that is NOT enough,you do NOT understand its PHILOSOPHY. On top of that jews keep haggling and haggling and haggling but do you want to find a SOLUTION possibly favourable to Israel and not destroying it or do you want to keep haggling “explaining” an History everybody knows at least jews do know it.You seem to think you are the king of the mointain because you know summer is hot and winter is cold and do not imagine everybody knows that!!! Problem is to find a WAY to stop the conflict. There IS NONE OTHER THAT EXPELLING ARABS whether you like it or not. Haggling and squabbling will NEVER BRING A SOLUTION TO THIS CONFLICT.

  46. George Georgiadis on March 31st, 2014 11:20 am

    keep trolling man. in the process you may learn something about history.

  47. myackie on March 31st, 2014 12:34 pm

    You never heard of San Remo and you want to teach ME History? this Post is not myackie as below but Robert Davis!!!

  48. George Georgiadis on March 31st, 2014 12:37 pm

    My friend…you keep accusing us of not knowing history, or disseminating propaganda, when all you have done is drop names and use appeals to authority. In other words, your argument is empty. We have responded specifically to your objections and you seem to simply repeat your little book of facts and ignore what we have to say.

  49. robert Davis on March 31st, 2014 10:56 am

    “gibberish” is your lingo!English is born in England not Brooklynn or whereever you live! I speak 7 languages you do not even know english!

  50. George Georgiadis on March 31st, 2014 11:20 am

    ……..man…try spellcheck then and a touch of grammar

  51. robert Davis on March 31st, 2014 10:49 am

    Internationnally recognized…this has nothing to do with legality again! antisemitism is internationnally recognized, un’s rubbish is internationnally recognized! This does not make them legal!

  52. robert Davis on March 28th, 2014 10:32 am

    You are in the middle of the fray maybe you do not analyse the POLITICAL motivations of some europeans(and americans who are ex europeans) nor even arab’s imperialism. It is all in their heads they do not go around explaining what they really want!

  53. Nope on March 27th, 2014 7:24 pm

    what a joke…you cannot be serious with this one. Remember when Israel forcibly sterilized African’s living in the state…Given the history of its people, Israel should be ashamed of itself. How can you defend it?

  54. robert Davis on March 28th, 2014 10:26 am

    It is not as subtle as you think : the troops are moslems fighting an antizyonist war pressuring jews as they usually do with hostages every time they are in trouble. Antisemits take advantage of those troops to fight an antisemit war. In fact both want TERRITORIES,arabs want Palestine and european antisemits want to get rid of jews from their territories. Both are troublesome and dangerous minorities but not very different. They are hate spreading allies for a belliquous cause and propagandists.

  55. Fanon II on March 30th, 2014 9:10 pm

    I honestly think that you are you just slapped your face against a keyboard on that comment.

  56. robert Davis on March 31st, 2014 7:24 am

    So Israel’s fate and future is on the same level as…my keyboard? This looks like the company’s doorman who believes the company’s future depends on the way he opens and closes the company’s door. I know the comppany’s president would not discuss his strategy with the doorman but here we are speaking of something that does not belong tome more than it belongs to you and the Audience. This is why I am trying to explain that the knowledge of History we jews all probably have, is NOT enough, we need decision makers not squabblers! You perha

  57. robert Davis on March 31st, 2014 7:28 am

    …perhaps you know the History of Alexander the Great and the Gordian Knot? no one could unravel it to become the Emperor but he took his sword and cut it and became the Emperor.Of course it is a legend but he could have reacted this way because this IS the way he became the greatest Emperor of all times. This is difference between ghetto squabblers and decision makers.

  58. George Georgiadis on March 31st, 2014 11:18 am

    jesus christ. you are the master of shitty argument techniques.

  59. myackie on March 31st, 2014 12:08 pm

    Is this what you call …TRUTH?

  60. myackie on March 31st, 2014 12:09 pm

    Sorry that was what I said to giorgidis!

  61. myackie on March 31st, 2014 1:14 pm

    You seem to be the adressee as a greek,mythologist and consequently LIAR…this was from Robert Davis. By the way greece belongs to TURKS wonder why we helped you conquer greece which was from ALL TIMES a turkish land! and should return to Turks.

  62. George Georgiadis on March 31st, 2014 1:16 pm

    I always have had a penchant for loukoumia….sign me up!

  63. myackie on March 31st, 2014 2:33 pm

    OK I tried provocation too. sorry!

  64. robert Davis on March 31st, 2014 10:43 am

    “internationnally recognized as illegal” and “palestinian territory”???what is this stuff?only PROPAGANDA! even french courts admitted this stuff has nothing to do with legal facts but only PROPAGANDA. In fact it is the other way around :Palestine has been legally recognized as jewish by the Conference of San Remo(1921)and the treaty of Sèvres(1923). You must never have heard of them! These treaties gave 21 states to arabs and Palestine to Jews. By accepting these 21 States arabs accepted de facto and de jure Palestine as a Jewish land. Therefore arabs’ presence is ILLEGAL by all international law standards. On top of that Eastern Palestine was given them by the british in a totally illegal way! As to africans does Israel have the duty to grant them sojourn documents after they entered illegally in this country? you mix legality with your wishfulful thinking!!!

  65. oneof5 on March 26th, 2014 6:18 pm

    Attention ! Attention ! All hands on deck ! All hasbarats man your battlestations ! This is not a drill ! Repeat: This is not a drill !

    In order to fully understand the article above (as well as any comments attached) with full and complete appreciation, it is necessary for me to provide a little enlightenment with regards to the hasbara paradigm the authors are operating under. To that end allow me to present – without further ado – Gabriel, from Jews Sans Frontieres to explain how the hasbarat game is played:

    “How to make the case for Israel and win

    To the benefit of the many not-very-bright zionist wannabe apologists who read this blog assiduously, I decided to offer a clear and simple method of arguing the case for Israel. This clear and simple method has been distilled from a life spent listening to and reading Zionist propaganda. It is easy to follow and results are guaranteed or your money back.

    So don’t hesitate! Take advantage NOW of this revolutionary rhetorical system that will make YOU a great apologist for Israel in less time than it takes to shoot a Palestinian toddler in the eye.

    Ready? 1..2..3..GO!

    You need to understand just one principle:

    The case for Israel is made of four propositions that should always be presented in the correct escalating order.

    We rock

    They suck

    You suck

    Everything sucks

    That’s it. Now you know everything that it took me a lifetime to learn. The rest is details; filling in the dotted lines.

    You begin by saying how great Israel is. Israel want[s] peace; Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East; the desert blooms; kibutz; Israelis invented antibiotics, the wheel, the E minor scale; thanks to the occupation Palestinians no longer live in caves; Israel liberates Arab women; Israel has the most moral army in the world, etc.

    This will win over 50% of your listeners immediately. Don’t worry about the factual content. This is about brand identity, not writing a PhD. Do you really think BP is ‘beyond petroleum’?

    Then you go into the second point: They suck. Here you talk about the legal system of Saudi Arabia, gay rights in Iran, slave trade in the Sudan, Mohammad Atta, the burqa, Palestinians dancing after 9/11, Arafat’s facial hair, etc.

    There is only one additional principle you need to understand here. It will separate you from the amateurs. You need to know your audience. If you’ve got a crowd already disposed to racist logic, go for it with everything you have. But if you get a liberal crowd, you need to sugar coat the racism a bit. Focus on women rights, human rights, religious tolerance, “clash of civilizations”, terrorism, they teach their children to hate, etc. Deep down your audience WANTS to enjoy racism and feel superior. They just need the proper encouragement so they can keep their sophisticated self-image. Give them what they crave and they’ll adore you! But be careful not to ‘mix n match,’ because it will cost you credibility.

    When you’re done, there will always be dead-enders insisting that abuse of gays in Iran does not justify ethnic cleansing in Palestine. Take a deep breath, and pull the doomsday weapon: You suck!

    You’re a Jew-hater, Arab-lover, anti-Semite, you’re a pinko, a commie, a dreamer, a naive, a self-hater, you have issues, your mother worked for the Nazis, Prince Bandar buys you cookies, you forgot you were responsible for the holocaust, etc. The more the merrier. By the time you end this barrage, only a handful would be left standing. For mopping them up, you use the ultimate postmodern wisdom: Everything sucks.

    War, genocide, racism, oppression are everywhere. From the Roma in Italy to the Native-Americans in the U.S., the weak are victimized. Why pick on Israel? It’s the way of the world. Look! Right is only in question between equals in power; the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must. Ethics, schmethics. Life is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. Eat, drink! Carpe diem! The Palestinians would throw us into the sea if they could. Ha ha!

    Trust me, that’s as far as words can go. If you followed this method faithfully, you’ve done your work. You should leave the few who are still unconvinced to the forces of order.

    You are now ready to
    apologize for Israel like a pro.”


  66. Guest on March 26th, 2014 7:16 pm

    Nice posthumous edit to conceal the plagiarism! Good work, WSN.

  67. George Georgiadis on March 26th, 2014 7:19 pm

    not only that…this article was partially plagiarized from a national zionist organization on Blumenthal. Now…it has been removed…WSN…you should be ashamed.

  68. GordonBombay on March 26th, 2014 7:49 pm

    I’ve seen this article somewhere before. I think it was in the dictionary, next to “rubbish”.

  69. oneof5 on March 26th, 2014 8:19 pm

    Here’s a little bit of hilarity from our pair of aspiring authors above:

    “as Ali Abunimah and Max Blumenthal, two outraguous detractors … Abunimah and Blumenthal are dangerous. They are well-educated …”

    If that’s the case then we might assume that Ali and Max at least know the correct spelling of the word “outrageous” …

    Too funny …

  70. Mark Colasurdo on March 26th, 2014 10:11 pm

    It wasn’t a “hundred or so.” It was more like 220. Can’t even get the simple things right…

  71. mohammednoori on March 26th, 2014 10:12 pm

    Having degrees don’t give a person credibility. Sticking to the facts do.

    This is just embarrassing.

  72. Nadia Hassan on March 27th, 2014 2:32 am

    I honestly can’t believe that this article was approved to be published. This is embarrassing… even for WSN.

    Please actually educate yourself even *minimally* before publicly disseminating a “news” article.


    >>>>>Torture of Palestinian CHILDREN in Israeli Legal System<<<<>>>>Ethnic Cleansing<<<<>>>>Official Palestinian Israeli Citizens Homes Repeatedly Demolished<<<<>>>>Permanent displacement of Palestinians for Tourist Site<<<<>>>>Detention of Eritrean and Sudanese Refugees<<<<>>>>Exclusion of Palestinians from the Population Registry/Restrictions on Registered Palestinians<<<<>>>>A Palestinian Killed Every 4.2 Days<<<<<

  73. Nope on March 27th, 2014 7:25 pm
  74. NotaBene10 on March 27th, 2014 9:22 am

    “They plunder, they slaughter, and they destroy: this they falsely name ‘the only democracy in the Middle East’, and where they build a prison, they call it peace.” Tacitus, (with some updating)

  75. Hard Little Machine on March 27th, 2014 9:18 pm

    I generally find that calmly asking them to call for the extermination of all Jews everywhere will get them to more or less shrug and admit it.

  76. Fanon II on March 30th, 2014 9:12 pm

    That’s a big bag of nope

  77. Hard Little Machine on March 31st, 2014 7:38 am

    Infidel. Off to the Gulag with you.

  78. robert Davis on March 28th, 2014 10:18 am

    It is quite evident that as long as arabs will squat Western Palestine antisemits will pressure jews with everything they can think of and the harassing will never stop!Jews keep speaking of justice while antisemits have POLITICAL aims and do not care for justice! “Palestinians” are just a TOOL for them and as long as they will have this tool in their hands they will use it. If those arabs are expelled the tool will go and antisemits will have nothing to knock jews with not even the hope to destroy Israel! There is only ONE remedy to antisemitism and antizionism which is masterminded by leftist governments in particular. Hopefully israeli governments will understand this because this matter depends exclusively on them and this is also what makes some governments mad such as obama and holland in france who feel helpless!

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